PHP Programming (was JOB: LAMP Artisan)

Richard Esplin richard-lists at
Wed Mar 5 16:59:24 MST 2014

Rebuttle summary:

* Isn't this how every language does it?
-- Answer: No

* It's not the languages fault that people do it wrong!
-- Answer: Yes, it often is.
On Wednesday, March 05, 2014 14:57:30 Michael Torrie wrote:
> On 03/05/2014 02:24 PM, Doran L. Barton wrote:
> > On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 12:30:06 -0700
> > 
> > Michael Torrie <torriem at> wrote:
> >>
> > 
> > I used to work with Alex (Eevee). He's an incredibly smart guy and when he
> > first published this article, I found it incredibly well done.
> I just finished wasting a lot of time reading the so-called rebuttal on
> devshed.  You're right that Eevee is a very smart and articulate fellow
> with a lot of experience in many languages to draw on.  I found his
> comments quite insightful.  I have my own biases, but I found
> ManianDan's arguments to be quite weak and more of an attack on Eevee
> ("you don't understand weakly-typed languages").  Came off as defending
> the indefensible.  I don't think Eevee's goal was to beat ManiacDan into
> submission, or to get him to change languages, but to have an honest
> discussion about the problems with PHP, but I suspect that conversation
> is really impossible to have about any language in a public forum.

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