Defining Terrorism

Josh Fenio std3rr at
Tue Jun 25 20:21:47 MDT 2013

I absolutely agree with everything you just said.  I think people like to make up grand conspiracy theories because it's in some ways less scary to think that an all-powerful consortium of shadowy figures meticulously planned a false flag operation, rather than a small group of educated, misled extremists managed to use planes to successfully strike at the heart of American power.  They don't seem to grasp how truly inept the American government is. 

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On Jun 25, 2013, at 8:12 PM, "S. Dale Morrey" <sdalemorrey at> wrote:

> Steve's rule of conspiracy theories.
> Conspiracies cannot last for long, because the only way two people can keep
> a secret is if one of them is dead.
> There are no conspiracies.  Even the NSA spying thing has less to do with
> conspiracy and more to do with what happens when people want someone to
> protect them from their fears rather than make them face it.  The folks
> that work in the NSA are some of the best and the brightest in the field of
> crypto.  Have you ever actually met a crypto geek?  I mean seriously, the
> reason most folks get into this field is because they suffer from aspergers
> or are borderline autistic (yes I'm looking in the mirror as I type this).
> These guys honestly believe they are protecting you and the rest of the
> free world.  They are being fed the same line of crap they fed me in the
> Navy before I started reviewing who was actually calling the shots (the
> contractors) and realized I was fighting a BS war to secure oil resources
> and work contracts for a billion dollar oil company.  9/11 wasn't a
> conspiracy, but it was a great excuse.
> Here's how this works.  A business gets large enough it can start getting
> government contracts.  It hires people who formerly worked for the
> government to ensure that they get these contracts.  These employees
> actually rotate in and out between government and private sector.  In some
> cases these same government employees will "moonlight" as consultants with
> the bidding companies while they are still technically working for the .gov
> this assures further contracts are awarded.
> At the same time, these companies start making major political
> connections.  They craft bills that directly benefit themselves and don't
> worry about what the fallout may be.  Again this isn't conspiracy, it's
> just business.  Once something becomes law someone has to implement it.
> This is of course farmed out to the best bidder, not always the lowest
> cost.  Usually that best bidder is the same company that sponsored the bill
> in the first place.
> This is what I was talking about earlier when I said that if I were in a
> position of power I'd bring the whole lot of them up on conspiracy,
> corruption and terrorism charges.
> So next time you're curious as to why something went down, an uprising, an
> assassination, a leak etc, just follow the money.
> Also one question I have is this, why is Booz Allen STILL being allowed to
> contract with the government especially in the intelligence community?  For
> that matter why is anyone letting any employee of this company within
> 1000ft of a computer or electronic device?
> My understanding is that Snowden wasn't NSA he was employed by Booz Allen,
> and it wasn't too long ago they suffered a major data breach that aired
> their laundry all over.
> On Tue, Jun 25, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Michael Torrie <torriem at> wrote:
>> On 06/25/2013 06:35 PM, keith smith wrote:
>>> 2 Chronicles 7:14 New International Version (NIV)
>>> if my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and
>>> pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will
>>> hear from heaven, and I will forgive their sin and will heal their
>>> land. Jesus has the power.
>> I think that's a good scripture with lots of very good personal
>> applications, and even societal application.  And I even agree that
>> "wicked ways" can lead to the downfall of a nation.  But...
>>> Answer me this:  What do you think happened in Benghazi?
>> what does this have to do with that?  From what I understand Ambassador
>> Stevens was a good and even Christ-like person (dunno if he was
>> religious or not... doesn't matter), who really did care about helping
>> the Libyan people.  And a bunch of organized thugs murdered him because,
>> I believe, his attempts to help build a free Libya threatened their power.
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