Did Ed Snowden do the right thing?

keith smith klsmith2020 at yahoo.com
Tue Jun 11 09:01:18 MDT 2013

Tithing is old testament law.  We are not under the law we are under Grace.

The New Testament believer is required to give not Tithe.

Tithing was put in place to support the Levites who were the priests and had no land.

If someone tells you you must tithe, ask them for the scripture that says so.


Keith Smith

--- On Mon, 6/10/13, Joshua Marsh <joshua at themarshians.com> wrote:

From: Joshua Marsh <joshua at themarshians.com>
Subject: Re: Did Ed Snowden do the right thing?
To: "Provo Linux Users Group" <plug at plug.org>
Date: Monday, June 10, 2013, 10:38 PM

On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Nicholas Leippe <nick at leippe.com> wrote:

> http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/13/13262285-mormon-church-earns-7-billion-a-year-from-tithing-analysis-indicates?lite
> If on average, as estimated, they take in $7 billion/year, and have spent
> in *total* since 1985 only $1.4 billion on charity relief, or $52
> million/year, that's less than 1% spending on charity. That equates to the
> least efficient charity organization on the planet. Good charities can
> achieve efficiencies of over 80%, a few even in the high 90%s. I'm not
> arguing that the LDS church is primarily a charity, obviously it is
> not--the numbers prove that. But with it's proclaimed "lay clergy" (not
> entirely true--but a drop in the bucket--at least we hope), you'd hope a
> lot more of that $7 billion/year could wind up back in the communities from
> whence it originated.
I guess I can't speak for every ward of the church, but from my experience
these number are highly inaccurate. These estimates were a little bit like
doing a survey in Provo, Utah and concluding that Romney would be the next
president. The purpose of tithing is to support the goals of the church.
The $50m/yr figure you are quoting is related to fast offerings. They are
two funds that serve completely different purposes. If you lump them
together, it looks bad, but so does thinking Romney would win off of a poll
taken in Provo.

> My opinion of JS is from well documented historical facts--from the
> church's own archives--which are sufficient to demonstrate to any
> reasonable, logical mind that he made a lot of stuff up and behaved himself
> very appallingly even to current LDS standards. But you believe as you like
> of course--it's your choice and I stand by your right to do so.
You are using a lot of absolutes in this statement that I'm not convinced
you can back up. Nonetheless, the same could be said about just about
anyone with whom we look back upon with tinted glasses. I've been reading
about Abraham Lincoln and several of our founding fathers and many of the
things I read blow my mind. I have to step back and look at it in the right
frame of reference to make sense of it.

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