December Meeting: ZFS on Linux (Aaron Toponce)

S. Dale Morrey sdalemorrey at
Sat Dec 14 13:21:23 MST 2013

There was no reason for selecting it.  If I recall correctly it was just
the default on install, either that or I was too tired by the time it came
time to select a filesystem and ended up just ticking a box without reading
closely enough.  The big problem here is that I can't just "untick" a box
to get a filesystem that's worthwhile for my purposes.  Not that I would
expect to be able to do that, but still the wish is there :)

On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Michael Torrie <torriem at> wrote:

> On 12/14/2013 10:24 AM, S. Dale Morrey wrote:
> > My issue is that boot times are horrendous and I keep finding files that
> > have appear to have been "randomly" rolled back to previous versions.
>  I've
> > taken to placing all syncing all of my personal data over to S3 just so I
> > don't send someone a 6 month old copy of my resume.  No joke, btrfs ate
> my
> > tax return too :(
> >
> > I really don't like this file-system, it's just too silent when it
> > detects/corrects random issues.  I would rather it flash a big sign
> > "Attention, your hard-drive appears to be horked, would you like to go to
> > new egg and order a new one?  In the meantime I'll go ahead and rollback
> > files x,y,z to previous versions."
> Yes that is a serious problem!   I assume you've reported the bugs?  Are
> you using snapshots?  What features did you need that Ext4 couldn't
> provide?
> I'm not using snapshots at all at this point, but I set up btrfs so I
> could play with that feature.  Particularly I want to be able to roll
> back system updates if something goes wrong, and snapshot my home
> directory.  Never quite worked how exactly what I wanted to do, though.
>  So I've never had any of the problems you report, at least that I know
> of! Silent corruption is always scary!
> Back when I first started running ZFS quite a few years back we had
> issues with some silent corruption there as well, but the problems went
> away with an OS update and we never had any further problems until right
> after I left BYU when a bizarre fault (software?) corrupted the entire
> 12 TB file system beyond recovery.  Both Sun and several data recovery
> and file systems experts said what happened was impossible.  Could have
> been a hardware fault, could have been software fault.  In any case it
> was a bad crash.  Absolutely no data was recovered after significant
> effort on the part of some data recovery experts.  They couldn't even
> reassemble the RAID array (hardware RAID even), or even tell that it had
> ever existed.  That's data security for you!
> But I've also lost a lot of data to XFS quirks as well, mostly due to
> truncated files. Apparently that's a feature of XFS.
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