Webdev: the times, they are a changin'

S. Dale Morrey sdalemorrey at gmail.com
Mon Apr 16 21:24:52 MDT 2012

My recommendation is Scala and the Liftweb framework.  Scala is a super
easy to use language that compiles to java byte code so it can run on the
jvm.  It can also leverage all the powerful web stuff that's already
written in Java.   Liftweb is easier to use than ruby on rails and yet runs
lightning fast.

My understanding is that twitter uses it now after they ran into scaling
issues with ruby.  You should check it out.
On Apr 16, 2012 9:02 PM, "Jon Jensen" <jon at endpoint.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Apr 2012, Jason Hall wrote:
>  Perl:  Well, I've been looking at this.  It's still good, but it's still
>>> the old CGI model.  There's progress with PSGI, but it's all very
>>> experimental, or if not considered such, doesn't work with Apache at all
>>> (or is just a veneer over CGI/FastCGI).  mod_psgi is... less than mature.
>>>  So I guess if I'm going back to CGI, I'm fine, but that's not "the modern
>>> way", is it?  Maybe this is stable/mature for Perl?  I've never been part
>>> of Perl culture, so I don't know.
>> wait, what? old CGI model?
>> This is Perl, there are more web frameworks than you can shake a stick
>> at. Ones that are truly perlish, others that are clones of whatever flavor
>> you like from any other language. And most all plug into mod_perl if you
>> want apache for the most powerful combination you can get. nginex and
>> others work as well.
>> Whether you want a modern kitchen sink tool like Catalyst, embedded code
>> like Mason, toolkits like CGI::Ex. There is a wide variety of very mature
>> options.
> Yes, and Plack/PSGI are not experimental or new. They work well with
> Apache, lighttpd, or nginx, using standard HTTP proxying to a daemon
> running in Starman or Twiggy:
> http://search.cpan.org/**perldoc?Starman<http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?Starman>
> http://search.cpan.org/**perldoc?Twiggy<http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?Twiggy>
> Aside from what Jayce mentioned, for getting started quickly and keeping
> it relatively simple, Dancer and Mojolicious are very popular and
> well-supported:
> http://perldancer.org/
> http://mojolicio.us/
> IMHO there's nothing wrong with writing CGIs for truly lightweight stuff
> you don't want a daemon for, but I wouldn't use the old core CGI modules
> for new code.
> Jon
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