Jason Van Patten jason at
Tue Nov 16 12:38:22 MST 2010

On 11/16/2010 12:27 PM, Von Fugal wrote:
> <quote name="Stuart Jansen" date="Tue, 16 Nov 2010 at 12:11 -0700">
>> On Tue, 2010-11-16 at 12:00 -0700, Von Fugal wrote:
>>> What the hell is this supposed to mean? Water IS flouridated by the
>>> government. The government IS trying to impose a smart grid. Therefore,
>>> because alpheus brings up certain facts about smart grid, he is also
>>> nutty about flouridation, and ALSO, he somehow thinks that flouride is
>>> in everything else besides just water. I really don't follow your logic,
>>> and your ad-hominem/straw-man mixture smells to high heaven.
>> Now why don't you just take it easy, Group Captain, and please make me a
>> drink of grain alcohol and rainwater, and help yourself to whatever
>> you'd like.
> I am sorry to have missed the movie reference. But your implication
> still stands, that he is a nut, tantamount to the nut in the movie. I
> will not sit silently while someone is degraded and attacked as being a
> conspiracy nut, just because he disagrees with your socialist
> ideologies.
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I think the fact that government exists is tantamount to accepting 
socialism. Government intrinsically takes from one group and gives to 
another for the benefit of the masses. You can't have police fire 
departments or hospitals that take care of the poor with out some 
socialist agenda. The question you should be asking is not if 
socialism/capitalism is right or wrong but if you value peace or freedom 
more. If you value freedom then you accept right makes right, if you 
value peace more then you must accept taxing the rich and giving to the 
poor. At the end of the day though wisdom dictates balance and bending 
with the currents of life to maximize freedom to the degree that 
individuals are willing to behave peaceably.

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