Freedom and Greed

Chad masterclc at
Thu Jan 24 16:40:52 MST 2008

I like watching House on my MythTV / Gentoo system.  emerge is nice.

On Jan 22, 2008 3:12 PM, Levi Pearson <levi at> wrote:
> "William Attwood" <wattwood at> writes:
> >
> > I was going to go down the serial killer route.... There isn't a universal
> > right to life and property; some cultures live in such a way that there is
> > no property ownership-- everyone in the society has equal access to all
> > items, and they may simply leave them behind when they move on; is it
> > temporary ownership, soceity ownership, or no ownership-- up to you to
> > assume, I guess..
> I would suspect that if someone is currently using something, and
> another person snuck up on them and took it before they were finished
> using it, it would be considered wrong.  Voluntarily relinquishing a
> given piece of property is different from having it involuntarily
> taken.  Protecting this right is one of the fundamental purposes of
> society, but it gets taken care of in different ways.  The one you
> illustrate is very different than ours, but it's protecting the same
> basic right.
> > If you take a gander outside of the box, you'll notice that most of what you
> > believe, know, and agree to be true, is only so based on your society, and
> > is in no way universal..  Everything is based on society, and it's up to us
> > to adhere to what our society believes to be right and wrong, or not to and
> > suffer the consequences (good, or bad).  Focus on my above use of the word
> > agree.. We all agree with what we are comfortable with or what we are pushed
> > into; that doesn't mean it's universal, that just means we have validated it
> > ourselves in a way that we can agree with it.
> I agree that we're highly context-sensitive beings, and that certainly
> our societies have built up cultural norms that do vary from culture
> to culture.  I don't think this rules out the concept of universal
> ethical principles, though they way in which different cultures
> express those principles will vary.  I also believe that in some
> cases, cultures will embrace things that are morally wrong, and aren't
> justified in doing so just because they are able to and they all (or
> at least sufficient numbers to enforce it) agree to it.
> I'm probably not going to be able to talk you out of your relativism,
> though, so I guess we'll have to leave it at that.
>                 --Levi

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