HB 139 (Wireless Internet Access Requirements, Chief Sponsor: Bradley M. Daw)

Steve smorrey at gmail.com
Thu Jan 24 13:22:33 MST 2008

My personal opinion on this is simply.
Pull out, let the region re stabilize on its own.
If the people want a despot ruler, they will put one in power.
If the people want a democratically elected free government, they will
put one in power.

The instability is a re-action to us being there.  As long as we
remain, the region will not stabilize, because the clerics are
teaching a doctrine of mis-trust and hatred.

These "insurgents" believe that we have violated and continue to
violate the sovereignty of the nation of Iraq.

Our best bet would be to dis-arm the insurgency, not through force and
violence, but through propaganda.
Show the murdering, cowards for what they are.  Not a symbol of
heroism and martyrdom, but as greedy politically motivated
intolerant fools, who order hundreds of young men and women to their
death, to further their own political agenda.

The war for the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people is not being
fought on the streets of Baghdad, it is being fought in the churches
and mosques.  The clerics say "Alla says you should kill Americans and
anyone else who doesn't agree with me!"

If we MUST interfere, then what we need to do, is to sponsor moderate
clerics in the region, who will teach a doctrine of tolerance.  Give
them money, books,  relief and other tools to help them spread their
own message.  One of peace and simple human dignity.
People will be attracted to that message, just as easily as they are
to the intolerant message.
Remember these are people, who are individually intelligent and
capable of making their own decisions.

But first we need to pull the heck out of there, because we are making
martyrs of each and every one of these "insurgents".


On Jan 24, 2008 1:00 PM, Matthew Walker <rorith at kydance.net> wrote:
> On Thu, January 24, 2008 12:37 pm, Von Fugal wrote:
> > oxymoron. As for pulling out, I don't see what's wrong with just saying
> > "end it" to our generals and admirals and having them do whatever they
> > must to just get out of there. No time frame, no deadlines, just don't
> > sit on your fannies occupying some stupid base. I think it's a bunch of
> > bull all this pander going on about "even if we wanted to leave it's
> > just not that simple." Well, it is simple. We got in there didn't we?
> > Why can't we get out? I doubt there will be as much resistance to our
> > leaving as there was to our invading.
> >
> Could we just pull out? Yes.
> Should we? I don't think so. We have made a commitment to the people of Iraq, that we
> would replace their government with something better than what they had. That we would
> 'save' them. If we pull out while the region is still as unstable as it is, we're almost
> certainly condemning them to a leader worse than Saddam Husein. We did the same thing 20
> years ago during the first Gulf War, and look at the mess that got left behind.
> Should we have gone to war in the first place? It doesn't matter any more. We're there,
> and we now have an obligation to the civilians of Iraq to not abandon them to the
> 'tender' mercies of a new despot.
> --
> Matthew Walker
> Kydance Hosting & Consulting
> LAMP Specialist
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