(UTOPIA) Tax Alert : Stop 150% tax pledge increase

Bryan Sant bryan.sant at gmail.com
Fri Apr 18 11:50:17 MDT 2008

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Levi Pearson <levi at cold.org> wrote:
> "Doran L. Barton" <fozz at iodynamics.com> writes:
>  > It is a bit ironic that opponents claim UTOPIA is anti-competitive when it
>  > will allow any service provider to operate on its network, even Qwest or
>  > Comcast.
>  Well, Qwest and Comcast aren't *just* service providers, they're also
>  infrastructure providers.  They invested vast amounts of money in
>  infrastructure with the understanding that, if you wanted their
>  service, you'd have to pay for the use of their infrastructure as
>  well.  UTOPIA clearly competes with them in the infrastructure-
>  supplying business.
>  Is that a bad thing?  Well, if you're a hard-line capitalist, you'd
>  probably have to say that it is, but I think you'd then be wrong.  I
>  think that building and maintaining community infrastructure is a
>  natural service for a government to perform, if the constituents think
>  it's a good idea.  Yes, there's a hint of socialism to the concept,
>  and socialism is wrong, but then so is capitalism to some degree.
>  Just because a system works well in general doesn't mean it applies to
>  all situations.
>                 --Levi

Before I get painted out to be anti-UTOPIA, I'd have to say that I
agree with Levi's position.  Perhaps similar to when the automobile
came of age, State and Federal government stepped in to provide
infrastructure for this new technology.  The interstate highway system
created for defense purposes has been a huge boon for our society no
doubt.  The government made the roads, but didn't start giving away
cars.  The private sector continued to compete with new cars.  Some
things (such as public planning and infrastructure) are best guided
under the control of a representative government.

My point was just to say that the freeway system (or public
transportation) would be a better thing to compare to UTOPIA than
Universal Health Care.  Universal Health Care is begging to be abused
by every nervous mother who has a child with the sniffles.  Because
price isn't a deterrent to avoid unnecessary doctor visits, the only
limiting factor will be the tremendous wait times that will accrue.
In the end you end up with a system that's clogged, bankrupt (like
social security), and worse off than our current one for most

UTOPIA doesn't have the same issues as UHC.  Virtually everyone could
use the service whenever they want without degrading the service for
everyone else.  Users of the service must opt in with a fee (ISP
fees).  There will be competition between ISPs, so cost is bound to go
down.  And the initial cost for the infrastructure isn't unreasonable.


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