Cast not your Perl before swine?

Steve smorrey at
Fri Dec 14 12:16:59 MST 2007

Excellent glad to hear that I'm wrong about Perl.

The reason for categorizing each language as I did is not to stir up
any sort of controversy.
Put quite simply, each language in the archae list is there because at
one time or another I learned it due to the fact that a large number
of employers seemed to be looking for it or because it was "the hot
new thing!" (Except RPG which I learned as a kid thinking it was meant
for writing D&D style games)

Since having learned said languages, I hadn't seen much call for them
so i haven't bothered to keep my skills as sharp as I feel I could
have.  Because I haven't seen much call for it, it was moved to the
archae list and have since sat and gathered a bit of dust.

I'm starting to think maybe I SHOULD spend some time brushing up on
Perl, looks like it may still be heavily used, and maybe I'm just
looking in the wrong places.  Python though does seem to be taking
over the spaces where I used to see a lot of Perl scripts.


On Dec 14, 2007 11:59 AM, Mister E <Mister.Ed at> wrote:
> Steve wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Just wanted to get a good discussion going on the merits of knowing
> > and using lingua archae vs lingua franca.
> > Lingua archae is my term for languages that once were popular but have
> > been fading out of fashion and entered a general state of disuse.
> > Languages such as Perl, RPG, COBOL, BASIC, FORTRAN, assembler and of
> > course the list goes on and on.
> >
> > Lingua franca being languages which are so commonly used now that they
> > are considered "essential" to know
> > Some good examples are  C/C++ and to a lesser extent C# Java, Python,
> > PHP and well thats about all off the top of my head.
> >
> > As a programmer myself, I'm finding that even though I don't use the
> > archaic languages much if at all anymore,  having them on my resume is
> > the chief reason for recruiters to come calling.  What I think is
> > bothering me the most about it is that even though the majority of HR
> > people are looking for these older languages, the companies themselves
> > aren't using them, (with maybe the exception Perl for the purposes of
> > porting apps away from Perl)  however they are generating a rather
> > large percentage of the calls I'm getting.
> >
> Did you throw Perl into that particular group to stir up the mud or to
> get your COBOL kicked everytime you turn around?  You know Perl better
> than that.  If you don't, you weren't listening a few months ago.  As
> mentioned, Perl is used a lot in web hosting.  Most folks don't like
> maintaining other peoples code in Perl if they are used to very strict
> syntax methodologies (and at times even if they are not), otherwise it's
> very powerful and challenging language with plenty of room for growth
> skill wise.
> As for a list of languages that interest me as an "potential employer",
> those would be Perl, Python, Ruby (on rails), C/C++.  There are others,
> but I'm mostly using those from your list.  Java is one I don't know
> enough about. I don't develop for MS platforms, so C# is not of
> interest, but I don't hate it.  PHP on the other hand is one I think is
> over rated. It's good for quick and dirty, but beyond that it's for
> cheap developers in 3rd world countries like Russia and India ... heh.
> (run! I've rattled the PHP hornet's nest)
> Mister Ed
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