[OT] Re: UVLUG presents Pete Ashdown on Open Source, politics andgovernment *PLUS* an installfest!

Grant Robinson santiago at mr-r.net
Wed Feb 22 16:53:29 MST 2006

On Feb 22, 2006, at 4:06 PM, Josh Hansen wrote:
> I wasn't trying to make a pro-porn argument,

Interesting.  So saying that it's a big industry, society is  
functioning fine with it, etc., are not arguments saying that porn is  

So, if I said that lots of people get abortions and it doesn't seem to  
harm the mother or society, would you say I was pro-life or pro-choice?

>  I was trying to argue that
> basing your vote on a candidate's stance on pornography doesn't make a
> lot of sense,

Sure it does.  People can base their vote on whatever they would like,  
be it the War in Iraq, social security, Homeland security, tax reform,  
etc, etc.

> and I also added my opinion that porn is not harmful to
> society,

But you're not pro-porn?

> without adding a lot of hard facts and statistics because I
> assumed that nobody would care.

If you are going to state an opinion that runs counter to what other  
people have expressed, hard facts and statistics go a long way towards  
proving that you may actually have a case.

>   If you want to read past the first few
> lines of my original post and discuss the rest of it with me, please  
> do,
> but any more of these pointless spams from you will simply get you  
> added
> to my blacklist.

That _would_ be a shame. :)
> Anyway, I rarely read slashdot, but from statistics I am finding now  
> (on
> a lot of sites, but mainly from the same two sources,
> http://internet-filter-review.toptenreviews.com/internet-pornography- 
> statistics.html
> and http://www.familysafemedia.com/pornography_statistics.html, porn is
> a 57 billion dollar industry worldwide, and 12 billion in the US, which
> is larger than the combined revenue of all professional football,
> baseball and basketball franchises, and the combined revenue of ABC,
> CBS, and NBC.

So just because an industry is big and brings in a lot of money, it is  
a good industry?  Is Microsoft a 'good' company just because they have  
a large market share?  What about Enron?  They were the darling of the  
energy industry?  Were they a good company?  The oil industry is way  
larger than porn.  Chevron alone brought in over 100 Billion dollars  
last year.  Is the oil industry a good industry?  Is the OPEC cartel a  
good organization?  I believe that we should probably base whether an  
industry or company is good or bad, good for society or harmful to  
society, on more than market cap or revenue.  I am not necessarily  
saying that any of these companies are good or bad, just that success  
and making money don't really correlate with how _harmful_ that  
business or industry is towards society or individuals.

BTW, I would check some facts before using those as a basis for  
argument, as in 2005 NBC Universal brought in 3.1 billion all on it's  
own, and the one website you quoted claimed the revenue for all 3 was  
only 6 billion.  The website you pulled that info from provided no  
information as to where _any_ of these stats came from.

> If such a large industry is so harmful to society, where is all the
> harm?  I know that some people like to blame rape and other sexual  
> abuse
> crimes, the divorce rate, etc on porn, but I don't buy that, and I
> haven't seen any information to convince me otherwise.

You are free to believe whatever you want.  I have seen statistics both  
ways.  From the experiences of people I know, I believe that  
pornography can be _very_ destructive.  If you believe otherwise, I  
would base it on more than just how much money an industry rakes in.   
Tobacco companies make a killing too, but it's an undisputed fact that  
people who smoke are _way_ more likely to develop lung cancer than  
those who don't.  And yet people still buy cigarettes.  I once saw a  
guy who had lung cancer and whose lungs barely functioned (he was on  
oxygen) and could barely walk (he was in a motorized scooter) driving  
down the sidewalk smoking a cigarette with the oxygen tube in his nose.  
  Just because people spend money on things does not in any way mean  
that those things can't, won't, or don't harm them.


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