[OT] Are we a democracy or a republic?

Stephen B. Saunders stephen.saunders at denomin.com
Fri Sep 2 22:21:19 MDT 2005

Quoting Michael Torrie <torriem at chem.byu.edu>:

> Don't
> necessarily mistake socialism for government intervention in the market,
> although that's a problem that all governments (socialist or not) seem
> to have.

I refer mostly to market manipulation and lack of government intervention to
stop it.  I guess I shouldn't have narrowed that remark to the US since market
manipulation is worldwide - I guess I'm just more critical of the US - we can do
better.  For an example of market manipulation look at the recent sell off in
gold earlier this week and check out Ted Butler's August 23rd commentary where
he flawlessly predicted it from the COTs.
While you're at it you may find silver to be an attractive investment:)

> Communism and Fascism are not actually
> opposites, but merely different takes on the same extreme.

I completely agree and that goes along with what I was trying to say.

> >
> > Democracy doesn't last.  It's bad enough that we turned our government into
> a
> > democracy but it's even worse that we've tried to do the same to others
> (sound
> > like communism? - forcing our form of government on others).
> You'll have to qualify this statement.

Did I say that:)  How about this:

"From this view of the subject it may be concluded that a pure democracy, by
which I mean a society consisting of a small number of citizens, who assemble
and administer the government in person, can admit of no cure for the mischiefs
of faction. A common passion or interest will, in almost every case, be felt by
a majority of the whole; a communication and concert result from the form of
government itself; and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice
the weaker party or an obnoxious individual. Hence it is that such democracies
have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found
incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in
general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.
Theoretic politicians, who have patronized this species of government, have
erroneously supposed that by reducing mankind to a perfect equality in their
political rights, they would, at the same time, be perfectly equalized and
assimilated in their possessions, their opinions, and their passions.

A republic, by which I mean a government in which the scheme of representation
takes place, opens a different prospect, and promises the cure for which we are
seeking. Let us examine the points in which it varies from pure democracy, and
we shall comprehend both the nature of the cure and the efficacy which it must
derive from the Union."

James Madison
Federalist #10

Stephen B. Saunders


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