[OT] Are we a democracy or a republic?

Stephen B. Saunders stephen.saunders at denomin.com
Fri Sep 2 09:57:12 MDT 2005

Quoting Kenneth Burgener <kenneth at uvlug.org>:

> I have been hearing a lot about how we are happy to see democracy
> developing in Iraq [1].  This lead me to think about us.  Are we a
> democracy or a republic?  Are we both?

We're supposedly both because we vote for leaders (democracy) who we give power
to make decisions for us (republic).  We started out high on the republic with
checks and balances and low on the democracy voting for well informed electors
to choose a president.   Now that our president and even our "state
representatives" (senators) are all chosen by popular vote we're high on the
democracy and low on the republic (very bad).

> We have democrats[2] which advocate a democracy, and we have
> republicans[3] which advocate a republic.  Do we possibly swing back and
> forth from a democratic nation to a republican nation every 4 years?

There's no swinging back and forth it's a rather steady decent into socialism.
If we were to swing back and forth at all then one party would undo the
achievements of the other with each change of office - instead, they build on
each others achievements.


> Last time I checked we pledge allegiance to the republic and not the
> democracy.  "I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of
> America and to the *Republic* for which it stands, one Nation under God,
> indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." [4].

That is unfortunately becoming obselete as we become a democratic oligarchy.
The remnants of the republic are mostly things like the pledge of allegiance
that make us feel really good while we look the other way as our leaders and
judges continue to sell us to the highest bidder.  The constitution is already
hanging by threads.

Remember, many are to blame that the US is becoming less and less spectacular
but no one is as responsible as we are because we don't do anything about any of


Stephen B. Saunders

Denomin Inc.

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