Interesting Quote

Jonathan Ellis jonathan at
Fri Aug 12 11:21:00 MDT 2005

On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 11:16:00 -0600, "Hans Fugal" <hans at> said:
> On Fri, 12 Aug 2005 at 10:12 -0700, Jonathan Ellis wrote:
> > This is the standard argument used to defend stuff that sucks.  Yes, all
> > languages are turing complete.  Nevertheless,
> > 
> > - some languages are better for specific purposes (e.g. erlang and
> > concurrency)
> > - some languages are better generalists than others, too
> > 
> > Perl is a good awk + sed replacement.  The problem is when people start
> > using it as a generalist language because they don't know better.
> Which, while I'm in the strange mood to defend languages I don't care
> about, is why people shouldn't bash Java so much. Java actually does fit
> the bill in some situations.

Sure.  I spent 3 years doing desktop app work in Java.  Java's language
design is not without warts, but overall pretty good.  Swing et al are
also pretty good.

Java just sucks for web applications, in large part (but not entirely)
because of the available libraries.


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