Did Ed Snowden do the right thing?

keith smith klsmith2020 at yahoo.com
Tue Jun 11 09:29:58 MDT 2013



When I said we I am talking about the New Testament believer.

Who claims to be under the Old Testament Law?

If they are, that means they must stone people and a lot of other things that I have not seen.  When was the last time you saw a burnt offering? 

Maybe some people are claiming to be under the Law, however they are not truly following the Law.



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Keith Smith

--- On Tue, 6/11/13, Joshua Marsh <joshua at themarshians.com> wrote:

From: Joshua Marsh <joshua at themarshians.com>
Subject: Re: Did Ed Snowden do the right thing?
To: "Provo Linux Users Group" <plug at plug.org>
Date: Tuesday, June 11, 2013, 8:19 AM

Who is "we"? To some, we *are* still under old testament law. To others,
the old and new testament isn't even applicable. There a many in between.


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 9:01 AM, keith smith <klsmith2020 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Tithing is old testament law.  We are not under the law we are under Grace.
>
> The New Testament believer is required to give not Tithe.
>
> Tithing was put in place to support the Levites who were the priests and
> had no land.
>
> If someone tells you you must tithe, ask them for the scripture that says
> so.
>
> ------------------------
>
> Keith Smith
>
> --- On Mon, 6/10/13, Joshua Marsh <joshua at themarshians.com> wrote:
>
> From: Joshua Marsh <joshua at themarshians.com>
> Subject: Re: Did Ed Snowden do the right thing?
> To: "Provo Linux Users Group" <plug at plug.org>
> Date: Monday, June 10, 2013, 10:38 PM
>
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Nicholas Leippe <nick at leippe.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/13/13262285-mormon-church-earns-7-billion-a-year-from-tithing-analysis-indicates?lite
> >
> > If on average, as estimated, they take in $7 billion/year, and have spent
> > in *total* since 1985 only $1.4 billion on charity relief, or $52
> > million/year, that's less than 1% spending on charity. That equates to
> the
> > least efficient charity organization on the planet. Good charities can
> > achieve efficiencies of over 80%, a few even in the high 90%s. I'm not
> > arguing that the LDS church is primarily a charity, obviously it is
> > not--the numbers prove that. But with it's proclaimed "lay clergy" (not
> > entirely true--but a drop in the bucket--at least we hope), you'd hope a
> > lot more of that $7 billion/year could wind up back in the communities
> from
> > whence it originated.
> >
> >
> I guess I can't speak for every ward of the church, but from my experience
> these number are highly inaccurate. These estimates were a little bit like
> doing a survey in Provo, Utah and concluding that Romney would be the next
> president. The purpose of tithing is to support the goals of the church.
> The $50m/yr figure you are quoting is related to fast offerings. They are
> two funds that serve completely different purposes. If you lump them
> together, it looks bad, but so does thinking Romney would win off of a poll
> taken in Provo.
>
>
>
> > My opinion of JS is from well documented historical facts--from the
> > church's own archives--which are sufficient to demonstrate to any
> > reasonable, logical mind that he made a lot of stuff up and behaved
> himself
> > very appallingly even to current LDS standards. But you believe as you
> like
> > of course--it's your choice and I stand by your right to do so.
> >
> >
> You are using a lot of absolutes in this statement that I'm not convinced
> you can back up. Nonetheless, the same could be said about just about
> anyone with whom we look back upon with tinted glasses. I've been reading
> about Abraham Lincoln and several of our founding fathers and many of the
> things I read blow my mind. I have to step back and look at it in the right
> frame of reference to make sense of it.
>
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