Did Ed Snowden do the right thing?

sdlockhart at bigplanet.com sdlockhart at bigplanet.com
Tue Jun 11 09:10:07 MDT 2013


Remember when MTV actually played Music Videos, instead of Reality
show BS?
Remember when PLUG actually discussed Linux issues, before turning
into BYUTV (or the 700 Club)?
I miss the good old days :(
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>---- Original Message ----
>From: klsmith2020 at yahoo.com
>To: plug at plug.org
>Subject: Re: Did Ed Snowden do the right thing?
>Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:01:18 -0700 (PDT)
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>>
>>Tithing is old testament law.  We are not under the law we are under
>Grace.
>>
>>The New Testament believer is required to give not Tithe.
>>
>>Tithing was put in place to support the Levites who were the priests
>and had no land.
>>
>>If someone tells you you must tithe, ask them for the scripture that
>says so.
>>
>>------------------------
>>
>>Keith Smith
>>
>>--- On Mon, 6/10/13, Joshua Marsh <joshua at themarshians.com> wrote:
>>
>>From: Joshua Marsh <joshua at themarshians.com>
>>Subject: Re: Did Ed Snowden do the right thing?
>>To: "Provo Linux Users Group" <plug at plug.org>
>>Date: Monday, June 10, 2013, 10:38 PM
>>
>>On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Nicholas Leippe <nick at leippe.com>
>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/13/13262285-mormon-churc
>h-earns-7-billion-a-year-from-tithing-analysis-indicates?lite
>>>
>>> If on average, as estimated, they take in $7 billion/year, and
>have spent
>>> in *total* since 1985 only $1.4 billion on charity relief, or $52
>>> million/year, that's less than 1% spending on charity. That
>equates to the
>>> least efficient charity organization on the planet. Good charities
>can
>>> achieve efficiencies of over 80%, a few even in the high 90%s. I'm
>not
>>> arguing that the LDS church is primarily a charity, obviously it
>is
>>> not--the numbers prove that. But with it's proclaimed "lay clergy"
>(not
>>> entirely true--but a drop in the bucket--at least we hope), you'd
>hope a
>>> lot more of that $7 billion/year could wind up back in the
>communities from
>>> whence it originated.
>>>
>>>
>>I guess I can't speak for every ward of the church, but from my
>experience
>>these number are highly inaccurate. These estimates were a little
>bit like
>>doing a survey in Provo, Utah and concluding that Romney would be
>the next
>>president. The purpose of tithing is to support the goals of the
>church.
>>The $50m/yr figure you are quoting is related to fast offerings.
>They are
>>two funds that serve completely different purposes. If you lump them
>>together, it looks bad, but so does thinking Romney would win off of
>a poll
>>taken in Provo.
>>
>>
>>
>>> My opinion of JS is from well documented historical facts--from
>the
>>> church's own archives--which are sufficient to demonstrate to any
>>> reasonable, logical mind that he made a lot of stuff up and
>behaved himself
>>> very appallingly even to current LDS standards. But you believe as
>you like
>>> of course--it's your choice and I stand by your right to do so.
>>>
>>>
>>You are using a lot of absolutes in this statement that I'm not
>convinced
>>you can back up. Nonetheless, the same could be said about just
>about
>>anyone with whom we look back upon with tinted glasses. I've been
>reading
>>about Abraham Lincoln and several of our founding fathers and many
>of the
>>things I read blow my mind. I have to step back and look at it in
>the right
>>frame of reference to make sense of it.
>>
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