Did Ed Snowden do the right thing?
sdlockhart at bigplanet.com
sdlockhart at bigplanet.com
Mon Jun 10 19:27:52 MDT 2013
A) This has nothing to do with Ed Snowden
B) It has absolutely nothing to do with Linux.
Can you guys please take your religious screed OFF the list?
---- Original Message ----
From: dcrookston at gmail.com
To: plug at plug.org
Subject: Re: Did Ed Snowden do the right thing?
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2013 21:21:01 -0400
>On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 8:52 PM, Sasha Pachev <sasha at asksasha.com>
>> All I can say is that I respectfully disagree. I have been inside
>it - I
>> have served a mission, have been in a number of leadership
>> sat through a lot of meetings, and have visited and got to know a
>> people through church service. I have seen the difference that
>> in the church makes in their overall qualify of life, ability to
>> their goals, ability to be happy, and the ability to get along with
>> I have seen that difference in my own life as well. I cannot help
>> Alma 30:34-35 at this point:
>I'm glad that you are happy. I know a lot of Mormons who are very
>happy in their religion. However, living a happy life does not mean
>that the religion whose structure you have found happiness within was
>founded by an honest or scrupulous man, or that it does not operate
>self-deception. It is very fair to ask whether it matters, so long
>you are happy. I suppose to many people it doesn't, and I don't
>begrudge them their happiness.
>I personally was extremely unhappy being Mormon. It never quite felt
>right to me. There were little things that didn't quite add up. I
>felt like I was living in The Truman Show, and if I just scratched at
>the right spot the whole facade would come away. The default Mormon
>answer to this kind of existential discomfort is to search, ponder
>pray, read the Book of Mormon, pray more, spend more time at the
>temple... essentially, to try harder and harder to be Mormon.
>when you're Mormon, that's the answer to everything - after all, the
>fruits of righteousness are joy, right? If you're not happy you must
>be doing it wrong. Go see the Bishop, he'll set you on the right
>path. Have you read the Book of Mormon recently? Maybe you just
>a different calling... wait, are you sure you've paid all of your
>tithing? Discouragement, despair and depression are the three D's of
>the devil - why are you letting the devil into your life? You must
>not be praying enough. I bet it's 'cause you missed sacrament
>meeting. Is your testimony okay? Have you been to the temple
>recently? That always makes me feel better!
>When you're Mormon, the only answer to problems is more Mormon. I
>honestly say that I have never been happier since I had my name
>removed from the records. Ironically, I didn't leave because I was
>unhappy, and I had no expectation that leaving "the church" would
>me happier. It was a pleasant, and unexpected, side effect. It
>wasn't until I got some distance and had a chance to re-examine my
>experiences as a Mormon from a different perspective that I realized
>how incredibly screwed up things were.
>Ultimately, I'm glad that you're happy. I'm glad that you're not
>affected by the screwed up parts of your religion. And I hope that
>you will recognize that your religion really is not the ultimate
>answer to everything. There are people who really can be harmed by
>it, in very real ways. And I hope that if you encounter one of them
>in the future, you will stop and think that maybe "more Mormon" isn't
>the right answer for them.
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>Don't fear the penguin.
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