Did Ed Snowden do the right thing?
goateye at goateye.com
Mon Jun 10 03:24:14 MDT 2013
It would only be right if the law is being broken.
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On Jun 10, 2013, at 2:15 AM, Nathan England <nathan at nmecs.com> wrote:
> On Monday, June 10, 2013 12:44:45 AM Ryan Simpkins wrote:
>> Why I think this question matters to PLUG:
>> * Snowden was an IT worker and referenced information gained in his position
>> as a Sys Admin/Analyst in determining that wrong doing had occurred. * PLUG
>> is deeply analytical. This question requires deep analysis. * We respect
>> the opinions of our colleagues and peers far more than pundits and
>> * The NSA is building "phase II" in our backyard. Some of you may choose to
>> go work there to help run these programs.
>> * It might be YOU who decides to do this next.
>> Did Mr. Snowden do the right thing by disclosing PRISM and similar programs
>> to the world, or did he violate the trust of his employer, government, and
>> fellow countrymen by reveling secrets that aught not to have been reveled?
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> This is an awesome question, and I don't mean that in the hippie surfer awesome way,
> but in the "awe"-some way. The information that came out, whether being
> sensationalized by the media or completely accurate is important for every American
> to know.
> I don't know how to express it elloquently, or that I could even explain it in a way that
> someone else could say had good hard points, but in the end, I think Mr. Snowden did
> the right thing.
> If my employer was doing nasty things with personal data, while claiming to not have
> that data, I would mumble to myself, but might keep working there. How do I quantify
> "nasty" ? I don't know. I don't personally like companies having *any* personal data,
> but in the society we have built, we have in large part given up so many of our private
> liberties in the name of convenience to private corporations that it becomes a very
> fine line between what is ethical and what is not. While it may not be appropriate for
> this list, I have to say, I think with the removal of Jesus Christ from society and a
> capitalist system that has largely forgotten God altogether, I don't know that this
> country has any real ethics anymore. Where would I draw the line and stop working for
> the company? I'm not sure I could say that. I would know when I know, but it would be
> purely gut. Would I turn over all my info to the media? No. I might start a serious F.U.D.
> campaign against the company and tell everyone I know about their unscrupulous
> practicies, but I wouldn't turn over any documents.
> With that being said, why do I think Mr. Snowden was right in turning over the
> documents? Because a private company (or public for that matter) is an entity of the
> state and should succeed or fail based on its business practices, hence my F.U.D.
> campaign. But the government, as elected officials by you and I, and what I believe to
> be an institution establish by God to protect the citizens, uphold justice, and punish
> criminals, (though God warned what a government would bring pretty well in Samuel!)
> the government cannot be run outside the rule of law. It cannot operate above the
> law. It absolutely must be held to a higher standard.
> More importantly, we once upon a time had a document that stood for something, and
> it garaunteed the right of innonce until proven guilty. A government that is
> condemning its citizens in order to protect itself is not an institution that can be
> trusted, nor an institution that should be allowed to continue.
> I think immediate action should be taken against all the upper levels in this
> administration. I realize a lot of this came from Bush, but at some point in Mr. Obama's
> presidency he needs to begin taking responsibility for his office. At some point in time
> he must stop blaiming Bush for everything and acknowledge he has made mistakes.
> He knew about the program, yet did nothing to stop it, he is just as guilty, if not
> moreso than Bush. The Obama administration has led an absolutely brilliant campaign
> of plausible deniability by making sure it appears that Obama knows nothing that is
> going on. And while it is really (sadly) quite possible that Obama really has no clue or is
> even just a puppet, in the end, it is his administration and he must own it. When a
> sports player fails a team he may be benched or even sent to the minors, but the head
> coach will still lose his job, though he didn't make the error.
> It took a lot of courage for Mr. Snowden to release those documents, and I applaud
> him for doing so. The government is not a corporation that needs a slap on the wrist, it
> is a collective of elected officials who have forgotten whom the constitution has given
> authority to. That is us. We the people. And they the government need to begin
> fearing we the people.
> Personally, I think gitmo should remain open. We may need to expand it a little . . .
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