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S. Dale Morrey sdalemorrey at gmail.com
Thu Dec 12 11:26:54 MST 2013


See I would call them omewhere between IaaS and SaaS.
yes there is software you can use to interact with them, but by that
measure so is EC2, you can control it from the AWS Management Console, plus
you can always use SSH.
On the otherhand you can interact exclusively through the APIs as well.


On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Grant Shipley <gshipley at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would actually lump S3 and Glacier under SaaS.  Its a service thats
> provided for you with software on the backend to manage it all.  All S3 and
> Glacier really are is a set of up API(s) you can use to access the service.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:14 AM, S. Dale Morrey <sdalemorrey at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Don't forget Storage as a Service, S3 & Glacier for example.  That
> doesn't
> > really fall under your categories as far as I can tell.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Grant Shipley <gshipley at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Let's clear up what cloud actually means then.  There are three types
> of
> > > cloud computing:
> > >
> > > IaaS - Infrastructure as a service
> > >
> > > Think Amazon EC2, Google Compute Engine here.  The only thing provided
> to
> > > the user is the hardware / vm.  The user is responsible for providing
> the
> > > operating system, updating it, apply security errata, installing and
> > > managing all applications, tuning the OS - databases - application
> > servers
> > > etc.  It addresses a real concern in the industry by reducing the time
> to
> > > market for getting servers quickly.  With IaaS, you can spin up 1000
> > > machines in a matter of minutes and grow as demand quires it.  The only
> > > problem, no one knows what their final bill will be every month.
> > >
> > > You have to bring your sys admins, application code, and users along
> with
> > > you.
> > >
> > > PaaS - Platform as a service
> > >
> > > The OpenShift, Heroku, CloudFoundry here.  PaaS sits on top of IaaS to
> > > automate even more of the environment.  Typically the PaaS will manage
> > all
> > > aspects of the environment for you.  This includes database tuning,
> > > automatic scaling, application server management, security updates to
> OS
> > > and runtimes, etc.  Users of PaaS need to deploy and be responsible for
> > the
> > > application code that is deployed on the environment to ensure it is
> > > robust, scalable, and cloud friendly.
> > >
> > > You have to bring your application code and users along with you.
> > >
> > > SaaS - Software as a Service
> > >
> > > Think salesforce.com, facebook, gmail, dropbox here.  Software as a
> > > service
> > > is a WYSIWG environment.  The platform manages everything for you and
> > often
> > > times you can't customize the application code.  This is the cloud
> > > technology that has been around the longest and widely adopted.
> > >
> > > You have to bring your users and your data to the table here.
> > >
> > >
> > > The adoption rate among these three cloud technologies are as follows:
> > > SaaS - Huge adoption.  This was a buzz word 8 years ago and we really
> > don't
> > > hear much about it anymore because its widely accepted and in use by
> 99%
> > of
> > > all corporations today.
> > >
> > > IaaS - medium adoption. People still have concerns about moving their
> > > workloads to a public cloud provider (ec2) but a lot of people are
> making
> > > this move.  When I talk about cloud computing to companies, one of the
> > > first things I hear is -- we can't put our users email address and data
> > in
> > > a public cloud.  Our data is so important we need a 5 million dollar
> > oracle
> > > RAC server behind 15 firewalls. I think ask them what they use for
> sales
> > > automation tools.  They proudly respond with Salesforce.com.  Face ->
> > Palm.
> > >  People don't realize that they are storing much more than users data
> in
> > > the public cloud today.  With SF.com they are storing all of their
> > > financials and forecasts.  Having access to someone sf.com environment
> > is
> > > more damning that having access to their internal oracle db.
> > >
> > > PaaS - low adoption.  This is the new kid on the block.  I fully expect
> > > this to be mainstream and every developer will be using a PaaS in 3-5
> > years
> > > as they see the benefits for development.  The tidal wave is coming.
> >  It's
> > > best for us developers to go ahead and get familiar with it because it
> is
> > > coming!
> > >
> > > Now, just to be clear.  You will hear a lot of other crap about cloud
> > > computing.  IMO ignore it.  People and companies will tout things such
> as
> > > mBaaS (Mobile backend as a service) MWaaS (Middle Ware as a Service)
> etc.
> > >  All of these new buzz word terms can be recognized in one of three
> main
> > > categories (IaaS, PaaS, SaaS).  I don't know why people are clinging to
> > and
> > > making up new as a services acronyms.  It just further confuses
> everyone
> > > knew to cloud computing and is hindering the adoption of this fantastic
> > > technology.
> > >
> > > --
> > > gs
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Jason Klebs <jasonk at riseup.net>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In my opinion, 'the cloud' is a buzz-word, and regarding it, people
> act
> > > > accordingly.  Buzz-words are meant to diminish understanding of
> > > > something, not enhance it.  Therefore, a lot of places don't weigh
> the
> > > > benefits and drawbacks of what is essentially a move to another
> hosting
> > > > provider.
> > > >
> > > > While we're opening up cans of worms...
> > > > I have assumed (even pre-Snowden) that every EC2 instance comes with
> > > > root access for the NSA built-in.  Thoughts on this?
> > > >
> > > > -Jason
> > > >
> > > > On 12/12/2013 10:21 AM, Jonathan Duncan wrote:
> > > > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:03 AM, S. Dale Morrey <
> > sdalemorrey at gmail.com
> > > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> For the most part, you can't just migrate existing systems to "the
> > > > >> cloud(tm)".  You really do need to think of it as a
> > re-implementation
> > > > task
> > > > >> and expect your costs to follow accordingly.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Agreed. The Cloud is just another tool. Like any tool, if used
> > > properly
> > > > > can be helpful, if used improperly can be deadly. The company I am
> > > > > currently with is in the process of migrating all services to the
> > > cloud.
> > > > > This includes an entire rewrite of the code base and entirely new
> > > system
> > > > > architecture. It is a mistake to think of the Cloud in the same way
> > as
> > > > one
> > > > > would think of traditional physical servers. For me, learning to
> use
> > > the
> > > > > Cloud effectively has required me to adopt a new paradigm.
> > > > >
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