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Grant Shipley gshipley at gmail.com
Thu Dec 12 11:21:16 MST 2013


I would actually lump S3 and Glacier under SaaS.  Its a service thats
provided for you with software on the backend to manage it all.  All S3 and
Glacier really are is a set of up API(s) you can use to access the service.


On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:14 AM, S. Dale Morrey <sdalemorrey at gmail.com>wrote:

> Don't forget Storage as a Service, S3 & Glacier for example.  That doesn't
> really fall under your categories as far as I can tell.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Grant Shipley <gshipley at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Let's clear up what cloud actually means then.  There are three types of
> > cloud computing:
> >
> > IaaS - Infrastructure as a service
> >
> > Think Amazon EC2, Google Compute Engine here.  The only thing provided to
> > the user is the hardware / vm.  The user is responsible for providing the
> > operating system, updating it, apply security errata, installing and
> > managing all applications, tuning the OS - databases - application
> servers
> > etc.  It addresses a real concern in the industry by reducing the time to
> > market for getting servers quickly.  With IaaS, you can spin up 1000
> > machines in a matter of minutes and grow as demand quires it.  The only
> > problem, no one knows what their final bill will be every month.
> >
> > You have to bring your sys admins, application code, and users along with
> > you.
> >
> > PaaS - Platform as a service
> >
> > The OpenShift, Heroku, CloudFoundry here.  PaaS sits on top of IaaS to
> > automate even more of the environment.  Typically the PaaS will manage
> all
> > aspects of the environment for you.  This includes database tuning,
> > automatic scaling, application server management, security updates to OS
> > and runtimes, etc.  Users of PaaS need to deploy and be responsible for
> the
> > application code that is deployed on the environment to ensure it is
> > robust, scalable, and cloud friendly.
> >
> > You have to bring your application code and users along with you.
> >
> > SaaS - Software as a Service
> >
> > Think salesforce.com, facebook, gmail, dropbox here.  Software as a
> > service
> > is a WYSIWG environment.  The platform manages everything for you and
> often
> > times you can't customize the application code.  This is the cloud
> > technology that has been around the longest and widely adopted.
> >
> > You have to bring your users and your data to the table here.
> >
> >
> > The adoption rate among these three cloud technologies are as follows:
> > SaaS - Huge adoption.  This was a buzz word 8 years ago and we really
> don't
> > hear much about it anymore because its widely accepted and in use by 99%
> of
> > all corporations today.
> >
> > IaaS - medium adoption. People still have concerns about moving their
> > workloads to a public cloud provider (ec2) but a lot of people are making
> > this move.  When I talk about cloud computing to companies, one of the
> > first things I hear is -- we can't put our users email address and data
> in
> > a public cloud.  Our data is so important we need a 5 million dollar
> oracle
> > RAC server behind 15 firewalls. I think ask them what they use for sales
> > automation tools.  They proudly respond with Salesforce.com.  Face ->
> Palm.
> >  People don't realize that they are storing much more than users data in
> > the public cloud today.  With SF.com they are storing all of their
> > financials and forecasts.  Having access to someone sf.com environment
> is
> > more damning that having access to their internal oracle db.
> >
> > PaaS - low adoption.  This is the new kid on the block.  I fully expect
> > this to be mainstream and every developer will be using a PaaS in 3-5
> years
> > as they see the benefits for development.  The tidal wave is coming.
>  It's
> > best for us developers to go ahead and get familiar with it because it is
> > coming!
> >
> > Now, just to be clear.  You will hear a lot of other crap about cloud
> > computing.  IMO ignore it.  People and companies will tout things such as
> > mBaaS (Mobile backend as a service) MWaaS (Middle Ware as a Service) etc.
> >  All of these new buzz word terms can be recognized in one of three main
> > categories (IaaS, PaaS, SaaS).  I don't know why people are clinging to
> and
> > making up new as a services acronyms.  It just further confuses everyone
> > knew to cloud computing and is hindering the adoption of this fantastic
> > technology.
> >
> > --
> > gs
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Jason Klebs <jasonk at riseup.net> wrote:
> >
> > > In my opinion, 'the cloud' is a buzz-word, and regarding it, people act
> > > accordingly.  Buzz-words are meant to diminish understanding of
> > > something, not enhance it.  Therefore, a lot of places don't weigh the
> > > benefits and drawbacks of what is essentially a move to another hosting
> > > provider.
> > >
> > > While we're opening up cans of worms...
> > > I have assumed (even pre-Snowden) that every EC2 instance comes with
> > > root access for the NSA built-in.  Thoughts on this?
> > >
> > > -Jason
> > >
> > > On 12/12/2013 10:21 AM, Jonathan Duncan wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:03 AM, S. Dale Morrey <
> sdalemorrey at gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> For the most part, you can't just migrate existing systems to "the
> > > >> cloud(tm)".  You really do need to think of it as a
> re-implementation
> > > task
> > > >> and expect your costs to follow accordingly.
> > > >>
> > > >> Agreed. The Cloud is just another tool. Like any tool, if used
> > properly
> > > > can be helpful, if used improperly can be deadly. The company I am
> > > > currently with is in the process of migrating all services to the
> > cloud.
> > > > This includes an entire rewrite of the code base and entirely new
> > system
> > > > architecture. It is a mistake to think of the Cloud in the same way
> as
> > > one
> > > > would think of traditional physical servers. For me, learning to use
> > the
> > > > Cloud effectively has required me to adopt a new paradigm.
> > > >
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