What's your favorite distro, and why?

Nick Barker nlbarker at gmail.com
Thu Dec 5 08:31:59 MST 2013


I have found this thread very useful.  Thanks so much.  Has anyone tried
using the latest distos on an Apple G4 (I am using a Mac Mini)?  I know it
is old but it still functions so well :).

On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 10:03 AM, Grant Shipley <gshipley at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Dan Egli <ddavidegli at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, December 3, 2013, Michael Torrie wrote:
> >
> > > These days if I was going to introduce Linux to a friend, I'd probably
> >
> > > put them on Linux Mint.
> >
> >
> >
> > Never heard of Mint before. What's good/bad about that one? :)
> >
> >
> >
> > That's the whole reason I started this thread, so I could learn about the
> > less common distributions, and what makes them good or bad. :)
> >
>
> Mint is not a less common distribution.  It seems that mint and arch have
> most of the mindshare for all the hipster hackers nowadays.
>
> When people got mad at Canonical for their underhanded sharing of data with
> amazon, a lot of people left that camp.  Granted, it also had a lot to do
> with people generally hating Unity and finally realizing that canonical is
> not a good open source citizen.
>
> I find that Ubuntu is more in use by people who like linux but don't care
> so much about running a completely free open source OS.  It's the same
> reason we have a seen a mass exodus to OSX.  People understand the
> technical merits of a linux/unix based system and prefer convenience over
> philosophy.  Please don't mistake this comment as something bad, it isn't.
>  People are and should be free to use whatever they want that suits their
> personal desires and goals.  Just trying to explain what I have seen in the
> linux space over the last 10-15 years.
>
> --
> gs
>
> >
> >
> > --- Dan
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Dan Egli <ddavidegli at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On December 3, 2013, John D Jones III wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm a hardcore Arch Linux user, and have been for ~6 years now. I
> > prefer
> > > the rolling release structure, it's bleeding edge
> > >
> > > > yet stable. On the server end, FreeBSD 4 LYF!! I've been using it for
> > > 12, up until I discovered Arch I ran fbsd on the
> > >
> > > I hear a lot about Arch. Perhaps some day I'll throw it on a virtual
> > > machine and play around with it. It sounds like it has a lot to
> recommend
> > > itself. I've never tried any *BSD, but perhaps one day I will
> investigate
> > > them too. They just kind of leave a bad taste in my mouth, not being
> > Linux
> > > flavors. :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > And yes, I did try Gentoo, it's a fine distro, but I just got tired
> of
> > > it's 'attitude' and I've
> > >
> > > > seen nothing recently that suggests the 'attitude' has changed.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What attitude are you referring to, may I ask? I'm lost on this. :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Dan Egli <ddavidegli at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On December 3, 2013, Michael Torrie wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > I used Maildir-formatted e-mail back with a Fedora Core 1 box. I
> never
> > >>
> > >> > had the dependency problems you state. Also, I don't believe
> > >> courier-imap
> > >>
> > >> > ever was a Fedora standard package, so you can't blame Fedora for
> your
> > >>
> > >> > dependency issues. I was probably using an early version of Dovecot,
> > or
> > >>
> > >> > maybe I just built courier myself..
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Well, I know I didn't build courier myself. I know I used an RPM. I'm
> > >> fairly sure I used apt-get to install it from the standard FC2 repos,
> > but I
> > >> could be wrong (and I know apt-get is usually debian based, I had apt
> > for
> > >> rpm installed because this was an older box that took for frigging
> EVER
> > to
> > >> run yum, where as apt ran just fine). Either way, I did specifically
> > state
> > >> that this was back in the days of FC2, so a lot could have changed
> > between
> > >> then and now. :)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > That said, none of the dependencies you mention are really a
> problem,
> > >>
> > >> > nor really a waste. Despite your implication you're not really
> > >>
> > >> > installing all those database systems. Rather you're just installing
> > >>
> > >> > very small shared libraries for potentially accessing those database
> > >>
> > >> > systems (IE the API is the only thing installed. And the cost of
> > >>
> > >> > breaking all those small library dependencies out into separate
> > packages
> > >>
> > >> > is just too high. You don't want to have to have a full and complete
> > >>
> > >> > but different version of courier-imap for each permutation of
> software
> > >>
> > >> > combination! I know that goes against your gentoo sensibilities! :)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I'm quite familiar with the differences between say,
> openldap-<version>
> > >> and openldap-libs-<version> and you're right that many were just the
> > libs.
> > >> But if my memory is correct (I could be wrong!) openldap wasn't just
> the
> > >> -libs package required. Perhaps there wasn't a -libs package available
> > to
> > >> whoever designed the RPM (whether it was designed by the Fedora
> > maintainers
> > >> or someone else), but my memory says I had to install openldap itself
> > (the
> > >> full package) to get courier's RPM happy. And the point wasn't having
> > all
> > >> these DMBS packages installed, but the fact that this was a very small
> > hard
> > >> disk drive (< 4GB HDD if I recall, this WAS more than 12 years ago)
> so I
> > >> had to REALLY prioritize what went on there, since it was a combo
> > system to
> > >> be my home e-mail server plus my print/file server, plus the samba
> > server,
> > >> plus the internet gateway. Those packages, just the libs and what ever
> > else
> > >> was required, used a large chunk of my HDD that I could have used for
> > other
> > >> purposes.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> And I'm also familiar with building RPMs on systems like Fedora. I
> have
> > >> personally designed custom RPMs for programs like exim because I
> wanted
> > to
> > >> get just the right feature set. I can't say I've ever used git, but
> > doing
> > >> configure/make/make install is something I've done quite a few times.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I do understand your point about trying to install things straight
> from
> > >> tarballs though. Certainly doable on a few packages or only a couple
> > >> servers. But not on a large setup. That's partially (_I_ think) why
> > "Roll
> > >> your own Linux" never really got too popular. :) Imagine downloading
> and
> > >> compiling EVERYTHING from scratch, including glibc and gcc and init
> (or
> > >> Systemd in more modern systems). Doable? Oh, absolutely. Doable on a
> > large
> > >> scale? Not so much.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --- Dan
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Dan Egli <ddavidegli at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On December 3, 2013, Levi Pearson wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> > If I was going to spend a bunch of time installing and learning a
> new
> > >>>
> > >>> > distro, I'd try out NixOS (http://nixos.org/) which has my
> favorite
> > >>>
> > >>> > concept of all the distributions. It treats package managment and
> > >>>
> > >>> > configuration as part of the same system,
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> That sounds rather bizzare to me. But maybe I'm misunderstanding you
> on
> > >>> that. I'll look over the site a bit, but perhaps you can explain
> > better how
> > >>> this package managment and configuration works combined?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Out of curosity, if it's a distribution of Linux, why are they
> calling
> > >>> it something else (NixOS vs. Nix Linux)? Or, is it not so much Linux
> > as a
> > >>> *NIX O/S? That's what I'd guess from the name, but I could be wrong.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --- Dan
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:48 AM, Michael Torrie <torriem at gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> On 12/03/2013 11:10 AM, Lonnie Olson wrote:
> > >>>> > * Mint
> > >>>> > - Ugly, old, backwards UI choices
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Sounds like a plus in my book.  Although Mint may be the distro
> > >>>> developing Cinnamon and Mate, the big distros now support them both
> > out
> > >>>> of the box. Fedora for sure has them both.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Despite the age of the core technologies, Mate+Compiz work best for
> > me.
> > >>>>  And Mate can live alongside Gnome 3 and Cinnamon, so I'm not giving
> > up
> > >>>> anything. I still use some Gnome 3 apps.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cinnamon is okay, but I like the customizations I have made in
> Compiz,
> > >>>> and I have to have a pager that shows at least window outlines like
> > >>>> Mate/Gnome2 does.  I've tried to put in a feature request to
> Cinnamon
> > >>>> for the pager thing, but they didn't seem to understand just what I
> > was
> > >>>> getting at.  Ahh well.  If anyone knows an extension that can give
> me
> > >>>> this feature, I would very much like to know about it.
>  > >>>>
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