What's your favorite distro, and why?

Dan Egli ddavidegli at gmail.com
Wed Dec 4 23:59:38 MST 2013


On Tuesday, December 3, 2013, Michael Torrie wrote:

> These days if I was going to introduce Linux to a friend, I'd probably

> put them on Linux Mint.



Never heard of Mint before. What's good/bad about that one? :)



That's the whole reason I started this thread, so I could learn about the
less common distributions, and what makes them good or bad. :)


--- Dan


On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:29 PM, Dan Egli <ddavidegli at gmail.com> wrote:

> On December 3, 2013, John D Jones III wrote:
>
> > I'm a hardcore Arch Linux user, and have been for ~6 years now. I prefer
> the rolling release structure, it's bleeding edge
>
> > yet stable. On the server end, FreeBSD 4 LYF!! I've been using it for
> 12, up until I discovered Arch I ran fbsd on the
>
> I hear a lot about Arch. Perhaps some day I'll throw it on a virtual
> machine and play around with it. It sounds like it has a lot to recommend
> itself. I've never tried any *BSD, but perhaps one day I will investigate
> them too. They just kind of leave a bad taste in my mouth, not being Linux
> flavors. :)
>
>
>
> > And yes, I did try Gentoo, it's a fine distro, but I just got tired of
> it's 'attitude' and I've
>
> > seen nothing recently that suggests the 'attitude' has changed.
>
>
>
> What attitude are you referring to, may I ask? I'm lost on this. :)
>
>
>
> --- Dan
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Dan Egli <ddavidegli at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On December 3, 2013, Michael Torrie wrote:
>>
>> > I used Maildir-formatted e-mail back with a Fedora Core 1 box. I never
>>
>> > had the dependency problems you state. Also, I don't believe
>> courier-imap
>>
>> > ever was a Fedora standard package, so you can't blame Fedora for your
>>
>> > dependency issues. I was probably using an early version of Dovecot, or
>>
>> > maybe I just built courier myself..
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, I know I didn't build courier myself. I know I used an RPM. I'm
>> fairly sure I used apt-get to install it from the standard FC2 repos, but I
>> could be wrong (and I know apt-get is usually debian based, I had apt for
>> rpm installed because this was an older box that took for frigging EVER to
>> run yum, where as apt ran just fine). Either way, I did specifically state
>> that this was back in the days of FC2, so a lot could have changed between
>> then and now. :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > That said, none of the dependencies you mention are really a problem,
>>
>> > nor really a waste. Despite your implication you're not really
>>
>> > installing all those database systems. Rather you're just installing
>>
>> > very small shared libraries for potentially accessing those database
>>
>> > systems (IE the API is the only thing installed. And the cost of
>>
>> > breaking all those small library dependencies out into separate packages
>>
>> > is just too high. You don't want to have to have a full and complete
>>
>> > but different version of courier-imap for each permutation of software
>>
>> > combination! I know that goes against your gentoo sensibilities! :)
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm quite familiar with the differences between say, openldap-<version>
>> and openldap-libs-<version> and you're right that many were just the libs.
>> But if my memory is correct (I could be wrong!) openldap wasn't just the
>> -libs package required. Perhaps there wasn't a -libs package available to
>> whoever designed the RPM (whether it was designed by the Fedora maintainers
>> or someone else), but my memory says I had to install openldap itself (the
>> full package) to get courier's RPM happy. And the point wasn't having all
>> these DMBS packages installed, but the fact that this was a very small hard
>> disk drive (< 4GB HDD if I recall, this WAS more than 12 years ago) so I
>> had to REALLY prioritize what went on there, since it was a combo system to
>> be my home e-mail server plus my print/file server, plus the samba server,
>> plus the internet gateway. Those packages, just the libs and what ever else
>> was required, used a large chunk of my HDD that I could have used for other
>> purposes.
>>
>>
>>
>> And I'm also familiar with building RPMs on systems like Fedora. I have
>> personally designed custom RPMs for programs like exim because I wanted to
>> get just the right feature set. I can't say I've ever used git, but doing
>> configure/make/make install is something I've done quite a few times.
>>
>>
>>
>> I do understand your point about trying to install things straight from
>> tarballs though. Certainly doable on a few packages or only a couple
>> servers. But not on a large setup. That's partially (_I_ think) why "Roll
>> your own Linux" never really got too popular. :) Imagine downloading and
>> compiling EVERYTHING from scratch, including glibc and gcc and init (or
>> Systemd in more modern systems). Doable? Oh, absolutely. Doable on a large
>> scale? Not so much.
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Dan
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Dan Egli <ddavidegli at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On December 3, 2013, Levi Pearson wrote:
>>>
>>> > If I was going to spend a bunch of time installing and learning a new
>>>
>>> > distro, I'd try out NixOS (http://nixos.org/) which has my favorite
>>>
>>> > concept of all the distributions. It treats package managment and
>>>
>>> > configuration as part of the same system,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That sounds rather bizzare to me. But maybe I'm misunderstanding you on
>>> that. I'll look over the site a bit, but perhaps you can explain better how
>>> this package managment and configuration works combined?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Out of curosity, if it's a distribution of Linux, why are they calling
>>> it something else (NixOS vs. Nix Linux)? Or, is it not so much Linux as a
>>> *NIX O/S? That's what I'd guess from the name, but I could be wrong.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Dan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:48 AM, Michael Torrie <torriem at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/03/2013 11:10 AM, Lonnie Olson wrote:
>>>> > * Mint
>>>> > - Ugly, old, backwards UI choices
>>>>
>>>> Sounds like a plus in my book.  Although Mint may be the distro
>>>> developing Cinnamon and Mate, the big distros now support them both out
>>>> of the box. Fedora for sure has them both.
>>>>
>>>> Despite the age of the core technologies, Mate+Compiz work best for me.
>>>>  And Mate can live alongside Gnome 3 and Cinnamon, so I'm not giving up
>>>> anything. I still use some Gnome 3 apps.
>>>>
>>>> Cinnamon is okay, but I like the customizations I have made in Compiz,
>>>> and I have to have a pager that shows at least window outlines like
>>>> Mate/Gnome2 does.  I've tried to put in a feature request to Cinnamon
>>>> for the pager thing, but they didn't seem to understand just what I was
>>>> getting at.  Ahh well.  If anyone knows an extension that can give me
>>>> this feature, I would very much like to know about it.
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
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