Net Neutrality Is Marxist?

William Attwood wattwood at gmail.com
Mon Apr 12 11:21:04 MDT 2010


....

so what you're saying is ignore the original principles that the internet
was founded on because, as a whole, they don't line up to other standards we
currently use for similar services?

So.... we have to make sure we obey by the same standards set by other
companies, instead of founding principles?

That seems narrow.



On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Steven Alligood <steve at bluehost.com>wrote:

> ROFL.
>
> It should be illegal to put up advertising billboards, just because you
> don't like them?
>
> How about commercials on TV?  Let's make those illegal as well, how dare
> they put advertising in my shows?
>
> What about the ads on the back of the frozen pizza you bought at Smiths?
>  How outrageous.
>
> The only thing I see as UnAmerican here is the limiting of people making
> money with completely legal methods.
>
> If Sprint wants to redirect their customers to an alternate advertising
> method, let them.  If their customers don't want it, they can say so by
> finding another ISP.  Same goes with Dish, cable TV, and groceries.
>
> In fact, the same thing applies to Comcast and blocking any and all ports
> that they deem abusive.  If their business model precludes your torrents,
> then find another ISP.   And don't argue that you cannot; the Internet is
> NOT a basic human right, nor is TV, cable, or even frozen pizza.
>
> -Steve
>
>
> On 04/12/2010 08:02 AM, Robert Ridge wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, net neutrality is so loosely defined that it is not easy
>> to discuss it.  What does it really require?
>>
>> I think few would argue that ISP's should not censor the traffic they
>> carry, nor limit with whom their customers can communicate.  Such
>> behavior seems so unAmerican as to be beyond dispute.
>>
>> Most would also agree that it is fair for ISP's to charge more for fast
>> connections than for slow ones.  It seems reasonable that if you pay for
>> a 1 Mbps connection, the ISP should be able to limit you to that speed.
>>
>> But what about Sprint's practice of intercepting all DNS requests,
>> regardless of the destination IP address, and resolving the DNS using
>> its own servers?  Should this be allowed?  We discovered this practice
>> when we noticed that some of our employees when using Sprint air cards
>> were able to connect to internet services we had intended to block by
>> excluding them from our DNS servers.  We soon realized that the DNS
>> requests from our employee's laptops, which we had configured to go to
>> our own DNS servers, were never making it through Sprint's last mile.
>> Thus, our employees could see the entire internet which of course raises
>> security and other concerns.  Sprint at first denied they were doing
>> this, but finally admitted it to us.
>>
>> It would appear that Sprint makes money selling "rerouting" services to
>> their advertisers.  If someone mistypes the URL, Sprint intercepts the
>> DNS request and prepares their own response along the lines, "Did you
>> mean ..." followed by the name of one or more of their advertisers.
>>
>> It seems to me that this kind of behavior should be illegal.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> Robert Ridge
>> Provo City
>> 351 W Center
>> Provo, UT  84601
>> rridge at provo.utah.gov
>> 801.852.6550
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Ryan Simpkins"<plug at ryansimpkins.com>  4/9/2010 4:17 PM>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality
>>
>> Side "A" (the government wants to stop free speech):
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-2gykOf5Is
>>
>> http://www.americansforprosperity.org/102009-net-neutrality-whats-their-philosophy
>>
>>
>> Side "B" (corporations want to stop free speech):
>> http://www.cc.org/blog/net_neutrality_not_some_marxist_plot
>>
>> http://www.savetheinternet.com/blog/10/04/06/courts-can*t-take-away-our-internet
>>
>>
>> Anyone care to post a rational response to these views? Perhaps the
>> wikipedia
>> article is wrong? Does it need to be edited to include a section on
>> Net
>> Neutrality being part of the "Marxist agenda?"
>>
>> I'm not taking sides, simply throwing out the information. If you
>> support net
>> neutrality, do you consider yourself a Marxist socialist?
>>
>> -Ryan
>>
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