OT - Gas to hit 4.00
charlescurley at charlescurley.com
Thu Jun 5 06:41:12 MDT 2008
On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 11:52:46PM -0600, Doran L. Barton wrote:
> Not long ago, Charles Curley proclaimed...
> > Oh, piffle, "weekly threats". Show me a reliable source, i.e. one that
> > isn't a toady to the neocon warmongers. And threats are not the same
> > as actions. Iran's mullahs aren't the nicest people in the world, but
> > they are quiet about Israel. Mr. Ahmadinejad doesn't make foreign
> > policy.
> Are you saying they didn't choose President Ahmadinejad to be the
> mouthpiece for their government? He speaks for them as far as I'm
Well, perhaps you should look more closely at the nature of the
Iranian state. It is very opaque and convoluted, more so even than
that of China. The presidency has little real power in domestic policy
and less in foreign policy. (Unlike the presidency of, say, the United
States, to which most of us are more accustomed.) Thus, President
Ahmadinejad produces much noise and very little real results. I
suspect that that noise is intended more for domestic consumption than
> I don't know where you got the idea the Iranian government was
> actively acting against our interests was some kind of "neocon"
> (what does that mean anyway?) conspiracy.
I don't know where you got the idea that I had gotten that
idea. "necon" means "neo-conservative", i.e. people who support an
imperialist foreign policy and big government to pursue "conservative"
values in domestic policy. Messrs Rumsfeld, Cheney, Podhoretz (sp?),
Libby, e.g. As opposed to paleo-conservatives like Lew Rockwell, Ron
Paul, Ronald Reagan, Robert Taft.
> To test my point, I did go back in time (with the help of Google
> News) to see who was publishing these articles.
> Google News shows plenty of traditional news sources with articles
> detailing Iran's vows to destroy Israel, Iran's defying the IAEA, Iran
> supporting Hezbollah terror, Iran supplying Shiite and Al Qaeda insurgents
> in Iraq with weapons, and more. I didn't find these articles on NewsMax,
> TownHall.com, or National Review. I found them on Reuters, Washington Post,
> ABC News, Associated Press, London Times, and the BBC.
Ah, then you have citations to the "weekly threats" to blow Israel off
the map, as I asked?
> Iran's government is bad. Do I think we should pull another Iraq and
> go in and make it "good?" No. I think the best thing the US can do
> is promote capitalism in the region via Iraq and Afghanistan and let
> the people under oppressed regimes make their move.
Here I agree with you in large part. Promote free markets, yes
(including at home). Remain in Iraq and Afghanistan, no. The latter is
not helping the former goal.
Charles Curley /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign
Looking for fine software \ / Respect for open standards
and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email
http://www.charlescurley.com / \ No M$ Word docs in email
Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Size: 189 bytes
Desc: Digital signature
Url : http://plug.org/pipermail/plug/attachments/20080605/c8c5c25c/attachment.bin
More information about the PLUG