BYU vs. Stupid People

Steve smorrey at
Sat Mar 18 21:14:17 MST 2006

Is there anything I can do via Gmail or some other setting to filter
this one thread out, I'm not LDS don't really care about BYU, don't
really care about mormons (nothin personal, I have lots of mormon
friends), the mormon church or the whole LDS experience. I do however
care about my local Linux Users Group, and would kinda like to keep my
information about the Provo Linux Users Group seperate from
theological debate.  Linux is enough of a religion for me thank you
very much.
All hail the mighty Tux!


On 3/18/06, Stuart Jansen <sjansen at> wrote:
> On Sat, 2006-03-18 at 20:49 -0700, Michael Torrie wrote:
> > On Sat, 2006-03-18 at 20:21 -0700, Clint Gordon Carroll wrote:
> > > Michael Halcrow,
> > >
> > > I don't believe BYU is discriminating against religion, rather, like me they
> > > are discriminating against people who are stupid! You fit nicely into this
> > > category.
> >
> > Clint that was uncalled for.  Such a statement does not reflect well on
> > BYU, the church that owns it, members of the church, and certainly not
> > on you.
> Torrie failed to mention that your comment is also the antithesis of the
> values BYU claims to be based on.
> > You do not know Michael, and you certainly have no right to call him
> > stupid.  You do not know why Michael would feel the way he feels, and
> > statements such as yours are not constructive in this thing.
> Many of us on this list do know Halcrow, and we count him among our
> friends even if we don't always agree with him. He may not agree with
> all of the doctrines of the LDS church anymore, but he has always tried
> to live a moral life. While he has a radically different interpretation
> of BYU policy, he has none the less tried to express it respectfully.
> Are you, Clint, really so insecure that you immediately interpret
> disagreement as insult? Even if Halcrow were being insulting, what gives
> you the right to claim to represent BYU?
> Full disclosure: I know I'm the pot calling the kettle black, but at
> least I know when I'm being hypocritical and only claim to represent
> myself.
> --
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