[way way OT] Re: BYU CS Department Opening
bryan.sant at gmail.com
Fri Mar 17 16:30:18 MST 2006
On 3/17/06, Michael L Torrie <torriem at chem.byu.edu> wrote:
> That's not the point. An employee should always fairly compensate his
> employer by putting in honest work for the money paid him. Similarly,
> an employee who is in charge of spending his employers money should
> spend it with respect, responsibility, and honesty regardless of where
> that money comes from. If an employee treats money differently
> depending on whether or not such money is sacred, there is a problem.
> So my point in that working for the church, or working with sacred or
> un-sacred money should not have any discernible difference on a person's
> responsibility or integrity. That is how I operate. All of my budget
> money is "sacred" just as a matter of principle.
I see what you're saying and I agree. You're a man of integrity no matter what.
> Sure that sounds great. But we have to approach this issue (of using
> OSS to save money) from a business standpoint. All of the costs (not
> just money) have to be considered. For example, in theory we can also
> save money by providing all church units and BYU needs with cheap white-
> box computers with built-in RAID1 for 1/3 the cost of Dell. But would
> we save money? I don't think so.
True again. You can't just take free software and throw it on an
ignorant user-base and expect them to be as productive as they used to
be. You would loose money in the short term (and MS would argue that
you would loose money -- TCO -- in the long term too). Your example
of desktop hardware is true In the case of desktop software I think
that's mostly true. In the case of server software, however, that's
not true at all.
> I deal just fine with my little corner of BYU. People I work with are
> largely responsible and are good managers of people, money, and
> resources. I like working for BYU. I like the overall environment (no
> serious health hazards, etc...). I like the ability to discuss general
> conference if I wanted to.
That's great. I appreciate the same benefit.
> If there is a take-away message for a potential CS CSR from this off-
> topic exchange it is that a job is a job and what you get out of it and
> what you put into it should not be influenced by the fact that it is
> "working for the church." Your bosses are not (at BYU) necessarily
> kneeling in prayer for every decision. They are not super-human or walk
> 6-inches off the ground. They are just normal business managers who
> pretty much run the place like any other business. Most of them are not
> nearly as knowledgeable or as perfect as they should be (neither are
> you). But here and there you find some really good people and lots of
> cool things get done. The same goes for every place you will ever work
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