[OT] Re: UVLUG presents Pete Ashdown on Open Source, politics andgovernment *PLUS* an installfest!
santiago at mr-r.net
Wed Feb 22 16:53:29 MST 2006
On Feb 22, 2006, at 4:06 PM, Josh Hansen wrote:
> I wasn't trying to make a pro-porn argument,
Interesting. So saying that it's a big industry, society is
functioning fine with it, etc., are not arguments saying that porn is
So, if I said that lots of people get abortions and it doesn't seem to
harm the mother or society, would you say I was pro-life or pro-choice?
> I was trying to argue that
> basing your vote on a candidate's stance on pornography doesn't make a
> lot of sense,
Sure it does. People can base their vote on whatever they would like,
be it the War in Iraq, social security, Homeland security, tax reform,
> and I also added my opinion that porn is not harmful to
But you're not pro-porn?
> without adding a lot of hard facts and statistics because I
> assumed that nobody would care.
If you are going to state an opinion that runs counter to what other
people have expressed, hard facts and statistics go a long way towards
proving that you may actually have a case.
> If you want to read past the first few
> lines of my original post and discuss the rest of it with me, please
> but any more of these pointless spams from you will simply get you
> to my blacklist.
That _would_ be a shame. :)
> Anyway, I rarely read slashdot, but from statistics I am finding now
> a lot of sites, but mainly from the same two sources,
> and http://www.familysafemedia.com/pornography_statistics.html, porn is
> a 57 billion dollar industry worldwide, and 12 billion in the US, which
> is larger than the combined revenue of all professional football,
> baseball and basketball franchises, and the combined revenue of ABC,
> CBS, and NBC.
So just because an industry is big and brings in a lot of money, it is
a good industry? Is Microsoft a 'good' company just because they have
a large market share? What about Enron? They were the darling of the
energy industry? Were they a good company? The oil industry is way
larger than porn. Chevron alone brought in over 100 Billion dollars
last year. Is the oil industry a good industry? Is the OPEC cartel a
good organization? I believe that we should probably base whether an
industry or company is good or bad, good for society or harmful to
society, on more than market cap or revenue. I am not necessarily
saying that any of these companies are good or bad, just that success
and making money don't really correlate with how _harmful_ that
business or industry is towards society or individuals.
BTW, I would check some facts before using those as a basis for
argument, as in 2005 NBC Universal brought in 3.1 billion all on it's
own, and the one website you quoted claimed the revenue for all 3 was
only 6 billion. The website you pulled that info from provided no
information as to where _any_ of these stats came from.
> If such a large industry is so harmful to society, where is all the
> harm? I know that some people like to blame rape and other sexual
> crimes, the divorce rate, etc on porn, but I don't buy that, and I
> haven't seen any information to convince me otherwise.
You are free to believe whatever you want. I have seen statistics both
ways. From the experiences of people I know, I believe that
pornography can be _very_ destructive. If you believe otherwise, I
would base it on more than just how much money an industry rakes in.
Tobacco companies make a killing too, but it's an undisputed fact that
people who smoke are _way_ more likely to develop lung cancer than
those who don't. And yet people still buy cigarettes. I once saw a
guy who had lung cancer and whose lungs barely functioned (he was on
oxygen) and could barely walk (he was in a motorized scooter) driving
down the sidewalk smoking a cigarette with the oxygen tube in his nose.
Just because people spend money on things does not in any way mean
that those things can't, won't, or don't harm them.
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